Out of the blue, on Saturday morning, I received an e-mail from Aaron, the gentleman I have been contending with over the issue of Calvinism. Now, Aaron is not just a Calvinist, but a Charismatic Calvinist. Personally, I don’t see how the two fit together, but there are a number of folks who are just that. I found out within the last few months that Charismatic Calvinism is a relatively new phenomena that is only about 30, possibly as old as 40 years, but is certainly no older and is sometimes referred to as “Reformed Charismatic” or “reformed third wave/charismatic.”
This, in itself, causes me to look askance at it for one simple reason:
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. (I Timothy 4:1-3)
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was. (II Timothy 3:1-9)
Now, I don’t know about anyone else, but I take those warnings seriously, just like I take the following seriously:
And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them? I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth? (Luke 18:7-8)
You know, that is a REAL GOOD QUESTION:
Will the Lord Jesus Christ find faith on the earth when He returns?
By the way, it is rhetorical . . .1
Now, the above bears heavily upon the following e-mail exchange with Aaron. However before examining the e-mails, it is imperative to understand that charismatic/Pentecostal doctrine and practice are all about signs, and a signs ministry. And, what the Scripture has to say about signs and the signs ministry.
A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed. (Matthew 16:4)
We should also understand that signs can be duplicated:
And the LORD spake unto Moses, Say unto Aaron, Stretch forth thine hand with thy rod over the streams, over the rivers, and over the ponds, and cause frogs to come up upon the land of Egypt. And Aaron stretched out his hand over the waters of Egypt; and the frogs came up, and covered the land of Egypt. And the magicians did so with their enchantments, and brought up frogs upon the land of Egypt. (Exodus 8:5-7)
And, signs are of the flesh and by the physical senses, not by faith:
For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. (I Corinthians 1:22-24)
If anything ought to tell us a signs ministry is not what we ought to be doing, the above statement by the apostle Paul ought to. After all, he contrasts “For the Jews require a sign” with “we preach Christ crucified” by juxtaposing them with the word “But.” In short, it is not signs that we should do, but preach Christ crucified. In sum, it is not “signs and miracles” that get people to come to Christ and be saved. Rather, it is the preaching of the gospel, and faith. Everything else is simply substituting what can be perceived with the physical senses — for faith.
For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory; While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal. (II Corinthians 4:17-18)
Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: (For we walk by faith, not by sight:) We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. (II Corinthians 5:6-8)
The reason for the strong emphasis on faith versus the physical senses is due to the fact that we cannot know the source of any sign that is done. In fact, in the days to come, all the signs will be performed by the Anti-Christ, and those supporting him:
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. (II Thessalonians 2:3-10)
And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. (Revelation 13:11-15)
Of course, we are warned about those who present themselves as ministers of Christ, and are not:
But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we. For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. (II Corinthians 11:12-15)
With that, I leave you to examine the e-mail exchange, and consider just where we are today. And yes, I do believe the gentleman is unsaved, and possibly demon-possessed. I don’t immediately recollect ever calling him a “moron,” but I could be wrong, and I would have to examine all the e-mails exchanged to be certain. If so, it was definitely in the context of him blatantly ignoring something so obvious that only someone utterly lacking in intelligence could miss it. By the way, it really is something to be called a “Pharisee” and then be told “God bless” all in the same paragraph. I have yet to figure that one out.
NOTE: Messages are in order, from first to last, separated by a solid line.
Why do you think there are thousands of Christian denominations? We have the same Bible. It is amazing to me how man has taken God’s word, and made it their own. Man has lifted up certain scriptures taking them out of context, and made doctrine out of them. Example: We debate over if you can lose your salvation or not; if baptism is required for salvation or not; if the baptism in the Holy Spirit is for today or not; We have Pre-trib, Mid-trib, Post-trib rapture debates over the church; if hell is real or not; Millenium debates; some Christians believe in Universalism; some Christians believe in Armianism; some Christians believe in Calvinism; the list goes on and on.. There is one truth to all of these debates that divide the church. Why do you suppose Christian denominatons are all over the place when it comes to doctrine and theology? Answer: Man walks in the flesh, lifts up scripture out of context, makes doctrine and theology out of it.
But there is good news. In these last days, God is going to shake up the American, religious, cotton candy gospel giving church, and raise up people who want to walk in Holy Ghost miracle power to get people saved healed and delivered in Jesus name. You are going to see people raised from the dead, blind eyes open, deaf ears hearing, cancer falling off people, people getting up out of their wheel chairs, casting out devils. This is already happening in other countries. The days of playing Church are over in this country. Either you are going to be apart of this or your going to be a spectator. God bless.
First, we do not all have the same Bible. The source texts for all those bibles are considerably different with thousands of variant readings. There are two major distinct Greek text families of the source texts. There are three distinct separate major variations of the Old Testament Hebrew with considerable variation in the readings.
Second, what the label says, and what’s in the can, bear no resemblance to each other. Just because the vast majority of the folks out there carry the label of Christian, does not mean they are. To be a Christian, one must follow Christ, and that the Christ of the Scriptures. By that I mean they are not free to remake Christ into someone that “fits” a distorted doctrine. For instance, Catholics are not Christians, and were not known as Christians for centuries. Instead they were known as Catholics, and they followed the doctrine and teaching of the Roman Catholic Church, not the Bible. In fact, it was forbidden for Catholics to even possess or read the Bible for centuries – by order of the Popes. It has only been in the last 300 years that they have successfully relabeled themselves “Christian.”
If we care to really examine the doctrine of many other “Christian” groups out there, we will find they are also not really Christian, but merely have applied that label to themselves so they would be more acceptable to everyone.
You have fallen for the deception of ecumenism, and are not careful in examining who believes what, and what Bible you really ought to use.
Paul W. Davis
By your response- you will be a spectator- arguing over doctrine, what Bible to use- pointing your Pharisaical finger at people-while God is raising up the real Body of Christ who will walk in Apostolic Holy Ghost power to get people saved healed and delivered in Jesus name. Your response is typical and proves my point the condition of the American Religious Cotton Candy Gospel Giving Church. The miracles are already happening in other countries and will soon happen in America, God is going to shake the American church where she needs to be shaken to wake her up! You have fleshly, religious, denominational strongholds only God can break. God bless.
You’re setting yourself up for the Anti-Christ.
Paul W. Davis
I don’t know how to respond to your despicable remarks. I’m a moron, unsaved, and possessed by the devil. You will stand in judgment of your name calling and your behavior towards me. Mark it down. See ya Paul, I have wasted enough time with you. I’m going to get people saved- healed- and delivered in Jesus name. God bless.
- The answer is not a “YES.”↩