Wednesday Night Lesson – The Will of God?

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NOTE: This study is about the implications of doctrine, and how not thinking through statements of doctrine will lead to false doctrine and bad conclusions.

But does this mean that God has ultimately left it up to Solomon to follow Him or not? No, because in the next chapter we see David acknowledging that it is ultimately God who gives a person a heart to obey, for He prays “give to my son Solomon a perfect heart to keep Thy commandments” (29:19). There would be no use in asking God to cause Solomon to obey if God had ultimately left the choice up to Solomon. In light of all that we have seen, it seems best to conclude that since God controls all things, He causes us to make willing choices so that His will is always done, yet these choices are genuine, and we are accountable for them. Again, we do not need to necessarily see how these truths fit together, but if we are going to believe the Bible, it seems that we must believe them.1

Here we see the Calvinist/Reformed theologian stating that David asked the LORD God to make Solomon’s heart right, and implying that God did so (It might be just me that perceives an implication here, but I asked someone else, and they perceived the same thing), when he states:

“There would be no use in asking God to cause Solomon to obey if God had ultimately left the choice up to Solomon.”2

And citing the following passage as proof:

O LORD God of Abraham, Isaac, and of Israel, our fathers, keep this for ever in the imagination of the thoughts of the heart of thy people, and prepare their heart unto thee: And give unto Solomon my son a perfect heart, to keep thy commandments, thy testimonies, and thy statutes, and to do all these things, and to build the palace, for the which I have made provision. (I Chronicles 29:18-19)

However, if God did so make Solomon’s heart perfect, it sure didn’t stick, either that, or it was simply David asking for something that was more a hope than anything else. Besides that, we are told to ask:

Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone? Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent? If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him? (Matthew 7:7-11)

All David is asking for here is for the LORD to prevail upon Solomon, not that he expects the LORD to change Solomon’s heart, but that it would be good if Solomon’s heart was perfect and remained so.

It is real shaky ground to assume what is going through David’s heart and mind and then draw doctrine from that. It is assumed here that David knew that God changed hearts without the express consent of the individual, and thus asked for Solomon’s heart to be changed. However, there is nothing in Scripture that tells us what David knew concerning the LORD changing hearts without the consent of the individual. Moreover, no matter what David knew, it is quite the assumption to purport that David is asking strictly by doctrine and not out of any desire for Solomon to do well, doctrine notwithstanding. It would be quite the stretch to take everything David says as doctrine, even in his prayers, especially since we can easily point to several instances where David was doctrinally wrong, even to the point of committing wicked sin.

In any case, we see the result of David’s request:

For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as was the heart of David his father. (I Kings 11:4)

However, there are other things that go beyond that in the assertions of Calvinists, where they do not consider the end of their doctrinal stance, and by Scripture, what they are actually saying. We are told:

“God has ordained every step of your life ____, every bad and good decision, everything. He has your life written in a book.”3

“People make decisions for themselves. OK ____, Good. People are responsible for the decisions they make, Ok, Good. Every decision a person makes good or evil fulfills God’s will. GOD IS BEHIND EVERY DECISION A HUMAN BEING MAKES. IT IS LIKE SLIPPING A GLOVE OVER YOUR HAND.4

“He causes us to make willing choices so that His will is always done, yet these choices are genuine, and we are accountable for them.”5

Yet, the Scripture states:

Therefore will I number you to the sword, and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter: because when I called, ye did not answer; when I spake, ye did not hear; but did evil before mine eyes, and did choose that wherein I delighted not. (Isaiah 65:12)

Obviously, it was not God’s will what Israel did, and the LORD said so. How then did Israel fulfill God’s will? By the Scripture, they didn’t, and God said so.

But, for the sake of argument, let’s let their contention stand, and give them the holding that everything anyone does, good or evil, is fulfilling God’s will.

What are we then to make of this:

I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. (John 5:30)

For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. (John 6:38)

Obviously, the above two verses are a claim that, according to the Calvinist/Reformed quotes above, can not be unique as everyone fulfills the will of God, even when they attempt to work cross purposes. Now, why is it Christ came? But let us go on:

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. (Matthew 7:21)

For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother. (Mark 3:35)

And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever. (I John 2:17)

But according to the Calvinist, everyone does the will of God, hence they are either in direct contradiction with Scripture here, or they to believe in universal salvation. After all, the Lord Jesus Christ said that only those who do the will of God actually go to heaven. Ergo, by the quotes above that belong to those of Calvinist/Reformed theology, everyone fulfils the will of God. Hence, everyone goes to heaven. Isn’t this the doctrine called “Universal Salvation?” Calvinists have quite the conundrum here. But, let us proceed further:

Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin; That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God. For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries: . . . (I Peter 4:1-3)

Obviously, according to I Peter, chapter 4, there is a distinct difference between the will of God and the will of the Gentiles, which is equated to the workings of the flesh. If you are doing the will of the flesh, you are NOT doing the will of God.

Now we have some possibilities here:

A.) The Calvinists don’t care what Scripture states, and thus don’t care about the contradiction, and how they clearly contradict Scripture.

B.) The Calvinists cannot think through the logic of their doctrinal position and see that ultimately they end up at the same place as those holding Universal Salvation doctrine.

C.) The Calvinists cannot reason out that the following is a terrible contradiction:

“He causes us to make willing choices so that His will is always done, . . .”6

One cannot “cause” another to make a “willing” choice. Will is volition, and thus to “cause” another’s volition to do your volition is not for them to be “willing” in any sense of the term.

Moreover, when “God” “causes” a person to commit “willing” sin, no matter how you try to reason it away, it cannot be gotten around that “God” becomes the author of sin.

D.) The Calvinists cannot reason through to see that if everyone ultimately does the will of God, then they negate the very reason Christ came — which was to do the will of the Father because man cannot. The Lord Jesus Christ came to fulfill the will of the Father, which is expressed in Ecclesiastics, Chapter 12, verse 13:

Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. (Ecclesiastics 12:13)

Which is the same as this:

Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. (Matthew 22:35-38)

Therefore, whether the holder of Calvinist/Reformed/Sovereign Grace/Primitive Baptist theology realizes it or not, they make everyone as righteous as Christ, and thus in no need of salvation. Hence, Christ’s coming was pointless, and Christ died for nothing as all men ultimately fulfill the will of “God,” thus pleasing “God.”

What you say, that is wrong? I don’t think so. Isn’t God pleased when His will is done? Certainly he is, as the Scriptures are full of references to that fact. Hence, why should anyone be condemned as all men and angels, even the Devil himself ultimately do the will of “God” according to the adherents of Calvinist/Reformed theology.

You know, there is a Scriptural label for this doctrine:

ANTICHRIST

Either Calvinists are antichrist, and hide that fact. Or, they are so abysmally stupid they cannot reason out the end result of their doctrine, and are thus used freely of the Devil.

Of course, they have their grand “escape clause:”

Again, we do not need to necessarily see how these truths fit together, but if we are going to believe the Bible, it seems that we must believe them.7

Blind belief — no better than the Catholic Church’s pat “It’s a mystery.” answer to anything in their doctrine that is inherently contradictory.

You know, if a doctrine has unworkable logic in it, on top of contradicting plain Scripture, perhaps it’s time to change your doctrine?


  1. http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/8449/providen.html
  2. Ibid
  3. e-mail from Aaron
  4. Ibid. Really bad analogy here. It is the hand that controls the glove that covers it. By using this analogy, Aaron is saying we control God!
  5. http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/8449/providen.html
  6. Ibid
  7. Ibid
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6 Responses to “Wednesday Night Lesson – The Will of God?”

  • Aaron says:

    This comment was also plagiarized by Aaron from http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/8449/prov.html

    It is plagiarized as there is also no citation, nor any hint that it is copied material. Instead Aaron is passing it off as his own. This is an entirely unacceptable way to comment, and will not be tolerated. — Paul W. Davis


    Revelation 17:17 ” For God has put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled”

    God does not control decisions? Hmmmmm.

    God’s purposes are unstoppable. They cannot be thwarted and God can do whatever He pleases:
    Isaiah 46:10; 43:13; 55:11
    Psalm 33:10, 11; 135:6-10; 115:3
    Proverbs 19:21
    Job 42:2
    Romans 9:19
    Hebrews 6:17

    God is in complete control of everything:
    Daniel 1:9; 4:17, 35
    Exodus 11:3
    Proverbs 21:1
    Ezra 1:1
    2 Chronicles 20:6
    Acts 1:7
    Exodus 34:24
    1 Kings 8:57-58
    1 Chronicles 29:18-19
    2 Corinthians 8:16
    Jeremiah 10:13

    God determines whatsoever comes to pass:
    Proverbs 16:1, 4, 7, 9, 33; 20:24; 21:1
    Jeremiah 10:23
    Lamentations 3:37, 38
    Amos 3:6
    Acts 17:26-27
    Daniel 2:21; 4:35
    Psalm 139:16
    Ephesians 1:11
    Romans 11:36
    John 3:27
    Job 12:9-10; 14:5

    God is sovereign over (controls) evil, sin, and calamity without ever being guilty of wrong:
    Isaiah 44:18; 45:7; 19:2; 63:17
    Job chapters 1 and 2; see especially Job 1:11-12, 21-22; 2:3, 10 and Job 12:9-10; 42:11
    Psalm 105:25
    Exodus 4:11, 21; 7:2-4, 13, 22; 10:27
    Romans 9:17, 18-23
    1 Kings 22:19-23
    1 Chronicles 21:1 with 2 Samuel 24:1
    2 Thessalonians 2:11, 12
    Genesis 45:5-8; 50:20
    Revelation 17:17; 13:5; 13:7
    Acts 2:23; 3:18; 4:27, 28
    Luke 22:22
    John 13:27-31; 19:11

  • Aaron says:

    I have over and over given you scripture refutes of all your comments, when are you going to give scripture references to support your view of foreknowledge? I challenge you to explain how one receives Jesus by grace alone without merit according to your view.

  • Aaron says:

    This entire comment was plagiarized by Aaron from http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/8449/prov2.html

    It is plagiarized as there is absolutely no citation as to its source. Nor is there any hint that it was copied from another source. This is an unacceptable way to comment — Paul W. Davis


    I challenge you to explain how one receives Jesus by grace alone without merit according to your foreknowledge view. Below are scriptures that deal with human free-will. God controls human beings–everything that we do and everything that happens to us.
    Jeremiah 10:23
    Do humans have free-will?
    What is this verse saying?

    Proverbs 16:9
    Who determines what we will do?

    Proverbs 20:24
    Who controls our steps?

    Job 14:5
    Has God determined how long we will live?
    How does this give meaning to our lives?

    Daniel 1:9
    Did God determine how this man would feel about Daniel?

    Exodus 14:7
    What did God do in this verse?

    Ezra 1:1
    I hate to labor the point, but is God concerned with free-will?
    Why are so many Americans big on free-will when God isn’t?

    1 Samuel 2:7
    Who makes people rich and poor?
    Have you given God thanks for the lot He has given you in life?

    Psalm 127:3 and 1 Samuel 1:5
    What attitude should we have about child-bearing and pregnancy?

  • Aaron says:

    Isaiah 63: 17 ” Why, O’Lord do you cause us to stray from Your ways and harden our heart from fearing You?” Joshua 11:20 ” For it was of the Lord to harden their hearts, to meet Israel in battle in order that he might utterly destroy them, that they might receive no mercy, but that he might destroy them, just as the Lord had commanded Moses.”

    hmmmm, who is in control here?

  • Aaron says:

    No Paul, my analogy is not saying we control God,  really bad understanding of my analogy. God controls our decisions to further his will. Our will is the hand and God’s will is the glove, His will and purpose are behind our decisions. We can’t make a decision with out God’s will and purpose being behind it, hense the glove over the hand.  Why did you erase all the evidence that refuted your commentary?  When are you going to give scripture reference to your view of foreknowledge? When are you going to explain how one receives Jesus by grace alone without merit according to your foreknowledge view?

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    1. Aaron Says:

      Explain to me what these sciptures mean to you.  Lamentations 3: 37-38 ” Who is he that speaks and it comes to pass, if the Lord has not authorized and commanded it? Is it not out of the mouth of the Most High that evil and good proceed?  Daniel 3:35 ” And all the inhabitants of the earth are accounted as nothing. And He does according ti His will in the host of heaven and among the inhabitants of the earth, none can stay His hand or say to Him, What are You doing?”

    2. Aaron Says:

      This comment was also plagiarized by Aaron from http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/8449/prov.html

      It is plagiarized as there is also no citation, nor any hint that it is copied material. Instead Aaron is passing it off as his own. This is an entirely unacceptable way to comment, and will not be tolerated. — Paul W. Davis


      Revelation 17:17 ” For God has put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled”

      God does not control decisions? Hmmmmm.

      God’s purposes are unstoppable. They cannot be thwarted and God can do whatever He pleases:
      Isaiah 46:10; 43:13; 55:11
      Psalm 33:10, 11; 135:6-10; 115:3
      Proverbs 19:21
      Job 42:2
      Romans 9:19
      Hebrews 6:17

      God is in complete control of everything:
      Daniel 1:9; 4:17, 35
      Exodus 11:3
      Proverbs 21:1
      Ezra 1:1
      2 Chronicles 20:6
      Acts 1:7
      Exodus 34:24
      1 Kings 8:57-58
      1 Chronicles 29:18-19
      2 Corinthians 8:16
      Jeremiah 10:13

      God determines whatsoever comes to pass:
      Proverbs 16:1, 4, 7, 9, 33; 20:24; 21:1
      Jeremiah 10:23
      Lamentations 3:37, 38
      Amos 3:6
      Acts 17:26-27
      Daniel 2:21; 4:35
      Psalm 139:16
      Ephesians 1:11
      Romans 11:36
      John 3:27
      Job 12:9-10; 14:5

      God is sovereign over (controls) evil, sin, and calamity without ever being guilty of wrong:
      Isaiah 44:18; 45:7; 19:2; 63:17
      Job chapters 1 and 2; see especially Job 1:11-12, 21-22; 2:3, 10 and Job 12:9-10; 42:11
      Psalm 105:25
      Exodus 4:11, 21; 7:2-4, 13, 22; 10:27
      Romans 9:17, 18-23
      1 Kings 22:19-23
      1 Chronicles 21:1 with 2 Samuel 24:1
      2 Thessalonians 2:11, 12
      Genesis 45:5-8; 50:20
      Revelation 17:17; 13:5; 13:7
      Acts 2:23; 3:18; 4:27, 28
      Luke 22:22
      John 13:27-31; 19:11

    3. Aaron Says:

      I have over and over given you scripture refutes of all your comments, when are you going to give scripture references to support your view of foreknowledge? I challenge you to explain how one receives Jesus by grace alone without merit according to your view.

    4. Aaron Says:

      This entire comment was plagiarized by Aaron from http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/8449/prov2.html

      It is plagiarized as there is absolutely no citation as to its source. Nor is there any hint that it was copied from another source. This is an unacceptable way to comment — Paul W. Davis


      I challenge you to explain how one receives Jesus by grace alone without merit according to your foreknowledge view. Below are scriptures that deal with human free-will. God controls human beings–everything that we do and everything that happens to us.
      Jeremiah 10:23
      Do humans have free-will?
      What is this verse saying?

      Proverbs 16:9
      Who determines what we will do?

      Proverbs 20:24
      Who controls our steps?

      Job 14:5
      Has God determined how long we will live?
      How does this give meaning to our lives?

      Daniel 1:9
      Did God determine how this man would feel about Daniel?

      Exodus 14:7
      What did God do in this verse?

      Ezra 1:1
      I hate to labor the point, but is God concerned with free-will?
      Why are so many Americans big on free-will when God isn’t?

      1 Samuel 2:7
      Who makes people rich and poor?
      Have you given God thanks for the lot He has given you in life?

      Psalm 127:3 and 1 Samuel 1:5
      What attitude should we have about child-bearing and pregnancy?

    5. Aaron Says:

      Isaiah 63: 17 ” Why, O’Lord do you cause us to stray from Your ways and harden our heart from fearing You?” Joshua 11:20 ” For it was of the Lord to harden their hearts, to meet Israel in battle in order that he might utterly destroy them, that they might receive no mercy, but that he might destroy them, just as the Lord had commanded Moses.”

      hmmmm, who is in control here?

    6. Aaron Says:

      No Paul, my analogy is not saying we control God,  really bad understanding of my analogy. God controls our decisions to further his will. Our will is the hand and God’s will is the glove, His will and purpose are behind our decisions. We can’t make a decision with out God’s will and purpose being behind it, hense the glove over the hand.  Why did you erase all the evidence that refuted your commentary?  When are you going to give scripture reference to your view of foreknowledge? When are you going to explain how one receives Jesus by grace alone without merit according to your foreknowledge view?

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